EP 5: From Tragedy to Enlightenment with Vegan Bodybuilding Champion Geoff Palmer

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Some stories are so powerful and extraordinary they must be shared and our guest today is no exception.

Geoff' Palmer's accomplishments, though impressive, are unmatched by the incredible story of his journey that will leave you inspired. 

While his story will empower you, Geoff and my discussion will motivate you to take action as we discuss the importance of being open to the world around you, how to release patterns in your life that hold you back from being the incredible person you are. 

We also discuss benefits of supplements, including why they are beneficial to our diets and what permaculture, biodynamic farming, and veganic farming have to do with it. This is a conversation not to be missed. 

Be sure to stick around for the light-hearted, and fun, Sprint Round at the end of the episode!

Maya Angelou said , “Do the best you can until you know better then when you know better, do better.”  Geoff Palmer helps people both know better and then know how to do better. 

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spk_1:   0:05
Welcome to the Vegan life Coach podcast, where we coach you to coach yourself. And now it's time to become plan empowered with your co hosts. 25 year vegan, Ella Majors

spk_0:   0:18
and Mindset Master Stepney pay their empowered vegan lifers Ella here and I have a treat for you guys today. I am joined by an extraordinary guest who I am so fortunate to call a friend, Jeff Palmer. Jeff is one of the very few people that I know who's been vegan for longer than me. You know, I've been big in 25 years. Are you ready for this? Jeff has been vegan 35 years. That is a vegan veteran. And get this. He's a natural body building and natural physique. Masters Champion, the owner of Clean Machine, Plant based Fitness Nutrition, vegan patent holder and next, the winner for Best Supplement of the Year in 2016 and 18. Jeff is also an author. National lecturer was selected number 40 of the top 100 most influential vegans by plant based news. Ah, Jeff also created the 1st 100% vegan bodybuilding competition in the world, and I was actually honored to have been a judge on the panel and will continue to be. And on top of that, clean machine donates 10% of sales every quarter to organizations that promote a plant based lifestyle. So wow, Geoff, welcome to the show.

spk_1:   1:43
Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure.

spk_0:   1:46
That is quite a bio you've got there. You'll always have so much going on. And I see you just everywhere with all this new information and getting it out there to people all the time. Like, how do you do it all like you do it all?

spk_1:   2:00
It's fun for me. It really is. It's exciting. I'm so passionate about the movement. When you know I made the change way back in 1985 I felt really weird. I did not know a single person that was vegan one, and there were no books. There were no movies that were no real support system, really that I knew of or was encounter with. There was no Internet and I hadn't even been invented. Really. It wasn't in the public public domain yet apiece, but so there was no social media. There was none of these social supports ever seen today. And God, I'm so thankful to see the movement exploded with its exploding right now. It's so exciting, But it's been a passion for me. I love doing this because there really wasn't the information up. Both my parents were in the universities, and my, uh, father was an English professor. My mom was a psychologist at university level, so you know, they're academics, and I was raised in that environment. So when I made the choice to make such a Trask tick in their mind, at least changed lifestyle change. I got hammered with the questions, you know? Well, what about this? And what about this and whatnot? Nutrition. What about? And I'm like, OK, I know it's right in my heart of hearts. I just have to find the answers, the logical answers, because I know it's right, you know. And then when I found Wow, it's great for the environment. Wow, it's great for your health. Wow, it is actually better than an animal based diet nutritionally across the board. And I just drove me to keep finding these answers to these questions that people were trying to get the gotcha question, You know, uh, and I get that. You know, people want to legitimize where they're at. You don't want to change shape of most people resist change because it's scary. If I do that, I'm gonna, you know, look at guys, get badges just getting hammered. I don't want to be like I don't want to be in the in crowd. It's safe, It's comfortable. And so it is challenging and and especially back then you had to be all in or you wouldn't make it and and I waas And the reason being is because it came from it deeply personal, emotional and spiritual level. And I believe when you anchor from that place, it's your immovable if you really believe in what you're experiencing. And for me it was about suffering, and I went through a tremendous amount of suffering through suicidal depression and having breaking broken free from that was was so powerful and so moving. I, you know, it changed the trajectory of my life and has ever since I'm really thankful toe to have stayed with it over the last 35 years and been a part of other people's growth to which is so rewarding to May

spk_0:   4:52
Mm. This is so amazing, Jeff. And I think this is why we connected so so quickly. Because I come from the same deep space. I'm not the same deep space, but a deep space and and back in the day when there was no social media. So how how did that occur for you? How did you even get the idea? Since you knew no other vegans, there was nobody else around you telling you any of this information? How did you even get that on the radar?

spk_1:   5:20
Yeah, it was surprising and not surprising because I had lost my father due to alcoholism. My mother from multiple sclerosis and two brothers from schizophrenia. I lost pretty much almost my entire family in a very short period of time, and he crushed me. You know, I was raised in a high I Q family. Oh, all of my family members had genius. IQ's are higher. Not one fifties, one sixties, that sort of stuff. So and you know, I love that level of conversation. I love that level of exchange. And when that family unit classed, I felt nowhere to turn. I wasn't finding people I could relate with and on top of that that I was what they call an E S p extra sensitive person. And that's the physical level, the mental level and the emotional level. I'm hypersensitive. I can see things other people don't see. I can feel things other people don't feel. And I knew I was different in that aspect. But I I found it is an asset. But when negativity happens, it seems like that's amplified 10,000%. And it was crushing to me, and I just really felt like, Wow, I'm a loving person. I'm a kind person. I love helping and assisting people, but I feel like I'm born into a world that's take it's it's self service instead of service to others, that is, I'm going to take from you all I can get from you. And I'm like, What is this world have to offer to me if I'm in this taking kind of world, It doesn't seem to be a match for me, you know, and to the point couple of it, all that emotional pain, it I said, That's it, I'm I'm out of here and attempted to take my life a couple of times and, you know, after the my third attempt was unsuccessful. I'm like, OK, what is it? Why am I still here? But it's got to be a different reason. And I said, There's got to be an answer here. My father didn't find it. My brothers didn't find it. I want to find the answer. How to be happy in this world. I was in a bar getting drunk, just like usual is doing the drugs and smoking cigarettes and everything eating the standard American diet. And a woman walked in the bar and she was just, like, glowingly happy. You know, that Look that pregnant women get. But she was just She wasn't pregnant, but she was just I could see it. I could feel it. And I said, Just with the help total stranger walked right up to her and I said, Okay, I want what you've got. How do I get there? How do I be happy like you? And she laughed and she was a little taken back and for the total stranger coming up your barn asking that. But she also saw it as a compliment. She saw that I saw her happiness and just let me introduce you to someone. And of course, I've become very cynical at this point. And I said, OK, take me to your leader, you know, and And I was ready to shoot it down because, you know, raising an intellectual environment with was classic parents with academic parents. It challenged everything. And so, you know, he came in and feel I opened open the door and he stopped in the doorway and he just looked right into my eyes. And he goes, Oh, you came here to prove me wrong. I was like, Oh, okay. I have never felt so naked in my life. Before he saw me, he saw who I was being, and I said, Okay, what do I have to lose? I was about to walk out of this crime, That anyway, so why not see what happens? But we're just talking about nothing. I thought just got a yacht in conversation. He goes, What's your father? It all started to well up. And he goes, Your father died. Did me? Yes. And it goes and you were very He was very important. Teoh. Yes, and he goes, Try this with me. Say this one sentence and fill in the blank. Yet I created the separation between my father and myself by fill in the word that comes to your mind. So I said that I said I created separation. And then I said something. He did wrong. And he goes, No, no, no, that's what he did. Tell me how you created that separation. And I kept doing this over and over, and he kept saying No, tell me how you were creating that separation. And I could feel the all the defenses, all these onion skin layers that I had piled on as excuses of why my world is so negative. And when I got to the heart of it Oh, my God is just like my heart ripped open and was bare. And I just said, How come you didn't tell me? Show me you love me. But in that moment, my tears poured out and I saw all the ways he was showing me love. But my anger at him for being an alcoholic, producing alcohol over me it was so much anger that it couldn't allow that love to be in. I was blocking the love between my father. I was the one creating the separation by my anger and judgement at him. But when I changed that conversation around and I saw his love, I also saw his pain. I saw how much heat was suffering and how he was struggling to find an answer and couldn't find it either. And here I was, judging him for his choices when he was suffering and struggling man the and that they just poured out. And I said, Oh my God, I was not only blocking all his love, I was blocking the love from everyone was blocking my own love for myself. And when that door opened up, I felt, 00 come back in when I removed the judgments Oh my God, it it was It was literally like my whole worldview change At that moment, I said, I am not about why I'm here to get I am about I am here to give. That's what's going to bring me joy. It's what I am and who I am and how much I have to offer this world. You know, you look at nurses and hospitals, you know, on doctors and hospitals. Why did they do what they do because they go to the place where people need help most. And if you're a loving soul, what's the best place to go where people need your love the most? And when I got it's just like, Wow, I am not here to get anything. But what I get is the joy I get from giving who I am, who I am gifted, to be born into. That is a tremendous gift that we all. And if we just focus on giving back gift, we confined joys and giving that you could never get from getting anything. And and for me, that changed my world. You I I saw the world now as a place of opportunity, not as a place of people trying to make me anything, and I I turned that into empowerment. Is me coming outward with my actions? Not me. Reacting to the world around me, I was stuck in reaction mode because I was sucking defensive home because I was hurting. I was keeping the one thing I needed most, which is my open, gentle toe love, allowing myself to love nature, toe love, animals to love myself. A lot of others such a transformational experience. I was so high. I was floating. I felt like I was literally not touching the ground. I was so buzzing. My hands were just like electric sockets Plugged in I started seeing for is I start saying brilliant colors everywhere. Just this amount of energy flow releasing through my body was just overwhelming. And I'm like, Oh my God! So I just I was so wired I couldn't sleep. So I just stayed up all night meditating on how much pain was released from my body. At that moment, it was like just ashes just falling off my body. It was like being born a new person. And I just kept saying this this one mantra over and over, which is how can I contribute to less suffering in the world. And as the sun was rising, I could I could feel it rise inside myself like the heat, that warmth, that love rise inside myself. When I was looking out the window, seeing the sunrise and it just came to me Stop harming other beings. Stop eating animals. That day I quit smoking, quit drinking, quit doing drugs and quit eating all animals and have never gone back. Matt's how profound that experience was. To me, that's not a typical a. Why did you go? Go? Vegan story. But it's mine. And it was important to me. It was important to me because I not only committed myself to that, but I committed myself to helping others too, come to a similar transformational experience. And I've dedicated the rest of my life to it. So that's what I've been doing for the last 30 years.

spk_0:   15:19
Wow. I throughout that whole story, Jeff, like, my body was chills like extreme chills over and over and over again. And that energy, the energy that you created just by telling that story it was like flooding me. And I'm really hoping that it's flooding everybody because energy doesn't know boundaries. It doesn't know, you know, that were on the other side of this microphone. We're all connected. And wow. Thank you for sharing that and making this contribution. And where did you go from there? We got We got Everybody's gonna want to know. We got to get going here. So what? Where, Where? What did you do with that? Because it's so huge. You know, this massive Where How do you then? Kind of funnel that into the direction you're going to take?

spk_1:   16:11
So, you know I said OK, All right. Well, let me look at how other people have come to this realization, because it's got to be other people out there. They come to this realization, right? And I can't be the only one and and and sure. Then I started looking and reading, and my mother was giving me books that were like, Oh, my God, wriggle of this book And but I'm a more experiential type person. So I said, That's it. I'm gonna go experience the world through these different eyes through this different experience. And I had a big savings in my account from from work that I just never touched. So I sold everything. I actually ended up giving away most of my stuff. I mean, I had a free giveaway even back before Freecycle. Is it? Then it back in the 19 eighties on, you know, people were coming up and how much you want for this. And I said, no. If you really want to just take it for, like, what? Are you crazy like? No, I just don't have need for right now. And And I said, I'm not gonna take it with me. I'm traveling. I'm not gonna carry a vacuum cleaner or a television. Take it. I don't believe it. I have money. I have got enough money and saving. And so I simplify and got down. I ended up traveling to 48 countries all over the world, Um, experiencing cultures and immersing myself for the cultures, going just knocking on doors and saying, Hey, do you ever a room to let and and living with the people and talking with them about their life and their experience from their culture? Oh, my God, it just blew me wide open. And I realized how sheltered Americans are that, you know, we're surrounded by mostly other Americans and that we tend to gravitate to our bubbles to his fellow. But in going to all these different cultures, I was in five different four different continents Europe, Africa, Asia and South America and traveled through 40 different states in America, Canada, Mexico, The islands did it all from hitchhiking across country and back twice to connecting with nonprofits and giving away free bicycles and clothing to Children that he'd in impoverished countries. And, oh, it's just a fantastic experience. But when I came back, I'm like, Oh, great, now what I do with all that in for where I plug into the society that is based on profiteering, that is based on I have something, you buy it. I have a service or product and you buy it. And I'm like God, what do we do with all this? And and how does it apply to what a tow, what? So health was very important to me. I was a swimmer and athlete and junior Olympic swimmer in high school in college and loved it and loved seeing what it did to my body. Loved the experience of performance athleticism. I've changed my mind how it changed my emotions. But when you add the nutrition component to it, Wow does that. That changes the whole something for them. Like I have something I can get to people. I mean, the two biggest things human beings really need. I won't say biggest cause it's all relative two very important things, which is physical activity and nutrition. We eat and exercise. We have to move, so I'm like, OK, why not start there and just help people get to quicker results? So I worked in a lot of different places in the health field, health food stores and stuff like this the whole time. I was just like a consumer of nutrition information. I It was like my my current wife still bugs me about that. Say, Don't stay up too late Reading studies. It's candy to me because this is information that can empower people. When you can share this information, it's free I shared to you. I give it to if it helps you make changes their positive in your life. How empowering is that? You know, we have this structure where they tell you what to eat in schools, right? Standard American diet. Then it makes you sick by the age, and it's it's not age that makes you sick and overweight and and disease states. It's the diet over a period of time. Our body can handle bad negative food for a little while, but after a while it catches up and has its effect. So thank give you the food through the school system. Then they tell you OK, the doctor is the only answer to your things. So you depend on this is our our god for that. And then the doctor tells you pharmaceutical drugs and then the pharmaceutical drugs, take your money and tell you what to do. And, of course, those calls side effects, which cause more problems, which means more drugs and more profits to doctors and hospitals and pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies who prey on your fear. But if you don't do that, you're not going to get your coverage and you're gonna get sick. It's all fear based everybody trying to take money, but they're profiting off of your ill health, and I'm like, as backwards, that's just wrong. And why are we all ending ourselves to this system that ends us up sick, tired and dead? So I wanted to try to give this information to people and show them that, and thank God there's a lot more research now showing we were right all along, that nutrition is the right answer. It's not drugs, it's not doctors. It's just us doing the intuitive right thing. Eating foods. Eventually it's right there. Nature's already got. It's perfectly planned out for us.

spk_0:   22:09
Yes, yes, yes. Amen. and you're all of that, Jeff. Wow. Wow. What would you say to people? And I want it. I still I we haven't gotten to the bodybuilding party, but way could be on here for hours. Uh, what would you say to people who are like, Wow, Jeff, like that experience you had in that, like that light bulb moment that was so huge. You know, you got that? It kind of came to you. That hasn't happened to me. I still feel stuck. I don't Am I supposed to look for it? Like how white, you know, get there? Do you have any words of wisdom for

spk_1:   22:51
Yeah, this is This is really neat, because in my travels, I did a lot of I worked with a lot of different groups, like I chanted with Buddhist monks. I did sitting meditation. I did a Native American sweat lodges and had amazingly transformational experiences. And I immersed myself in these different ways that different cultures have found to cause shifts to cause an internal change that allows you to really see things differently to free you from judgments and attachments and fears and allowing you to get to that strong powerful in herself that I'm alive and this is my life and I get to do what I want with and that I am full of love and this love is valuable and I'm gonna give it to other people purposeful, driven lives. But it is hard to get there because we're were pounded by social media and Internet and news that everything telling us how bad things are, stuff like that. It's it's easy to buy into the fears. So I think they're really two different ways to shift, and that is one coming from the inside and having external shift like I did. But that isn't probably the least common. I think the more common is shifting something externally to cause an internal shift, like when I was doing a sweat lodge. So the sweat lodge is a physical pouring out of sweat, right, because your body just sweat profusely, intensely all at once. Well, what that is is a physiological release, and if you're into with that, if you put yourself in the right mind set, you can also jump in there with an emotional release with a psychological or even a spiritual release. So you're taking the physical self and moving it significantly, and that causes the mind emotional, the spiritual self toe want to shift with it, And that's how many different cultures, whether it's Native Americans or Buddhist. So our cultures all around the world have found ways to do this over the North. They use ice bath or I plunging. It shocks the body, and it causes a shake up of the reality. And in that shaking up, it allows your mind to site. Wow, that was a different experience. What else is a different experience that I could have and that starts the wheels rolling in the mind to start asking those questions? What could my life really be like if that was such a traumatic experience? I mean, you can do it from bungee jumping or or anything, but it doesn't have to be huge, and it doesn't. It's whatever is important to you. So I loved trying a lot of these different cultural ways of creating chips, and I think whatever works for you is going to be the right hang for you. Whatever aligns with you whatever feels the most comfortable, the most right. I used to teach a rebirthing. Rebirthing is a technique of very deep cycling breathing. You familiar with rebirthing?

spk_0:   25:59
Not specifically, No.

spk_1:   26:01
Okay, so it's just a really controlled hyperventilation is basically what it is. So it's a really high, slow, rhythmic breathing, but it's very deep, so hyper oxidant gates your brain. Now the brain uses an exorbitant amount of our oxygen way more than its to 5% of capacity. But But when you hyper oxygenated, the neurons can fire like crazy, and it can fire and release different memories. And this is just a simple way just using air as a way to trick your brain into a hyper state that can allow your brain to remember a recall and hence the name, rebirth and even all the way back to the birth state. And as we come into this world, there are a lot of things that we say, Gosh, I don't understand that. Why is it that way? And so our mind says Okay, we can't figure it out, and that's frustrating. So instead of living a life of frustration, let's just put that on the back burner and I can cope with life, right? What we keep doing that and we have a lot of stuff on the back burner by the time our adult to go back and re unlock those memories and see them again with your adult eyes with your new wisdom with your new understanding can re release those memories cause you go. Ah, that's why I had that. And it re releases those feelings that used have fear of doing X because of that. But because you didn't understand it, what one big breakthrough in rebirthing for me was, I felt like I came out of the womb ankle. Tremendous gratitude. Thank you for bringing into this world. This is amazing and went to tell the two beings that were standing there near me and it just came out like craft. They don't understand. But when I re experienced, that is adult. I said I felt the love from them and I go, Oh, they do understand. And for the longest time in my adult life, I always help. People didn't understand. When I released that, I felt like I became really good at feeling like people understand so simple things, judgments that we attached to emotions that if we re can reconnect to them and see them in a different way. We can release them and release patterns in our lives that hold us back from being the incredible people that we really are. I

spk_0:   28:39
am so true. And that reminded me I always like to talk about We don't know what we don't know, you know? And when we get open, just open ourselves to fought to, to information that we didn't know we didn't know on be open to that and receiving that then it's It's kind of like a snowball effect, and that that's been for me is like I figured, found something that you know, with energy and chakras and uh, from Bruce, Lipton and Epigenetic. So there's all you know, this this world out there that I didn't even know was out there, and when I discovered it, it was like, Oh, that came to the next understanding and then the next understanding Oh my God, every day is immense experience off learning and finding new things, and it's it makes life, so I don't know what to even describe it. So amazing. I think of it like playing life like a game, and it becomes kind of a bit of game did. Does that relate video

spk_1:   29:41
totally fully. Now it was It was difficult being a male, especially going through these experience, but and and trust me, I don't mean this in a negative way because we all have our own growth. And I was cynical and I was judgmental, and I broke free of that. And I give everybody the benefit of doubt no matter where you are at, there's room to grow and myself included. But I found that most of the guys weren't open to talking about emotions or spirituality or, you know, breakthroughs. Or, you know, they were more about. I'm right about this, you know, and and close up the walls and I'm tough and I'm you know, I don't believe in all that crap. And it's just like, Wow, how can I relate to no other males that Where do I get to share? You know, where I get to communicate with this? And that was challenging. Uh, that was very challenging for me, and I believe that's changed over time. And we still have a lot of sexism and both on both gender stereotyping pigeonholing typecasting of your email this is your set of rules that you have to buy by your a female and this is yours, and I believe that at all. I mean, I see myself now as a person as a human, having you know, a experience on this level. So, you know, I said, All right, you know, with veganism especially, you know, with being vegan. That was one of the things that no, it's manly t eat me and there's And obviously now there's new films out like game changes, which is showing clearly many never reasons why It's absolutely not manly debate. But, you know, I I think it's more not about being typical to your gender, but just be true to yourself. The matter what gender you are be true to yourself. That's where you're gonna find the most happiness. I think sometimes guys will want to be right because they think OK, well, let him I'm right. Then people will follow me. I'll be locked up, looked up to, you know and God. That was the best, most liberating moment when I broke free of wanting to be right. I pose research all the time and people say No, that's wrong especially guys. 90% guys. No, that's wrong. And I'm like, That's awesome! Thank you for showing me a different study. I love being wrong, E. Said. No, cause being wrong means you found better information. Why is that not good? Why would you want to stick with the right answer? If it's not the best answer, that's stupid. That's holding you back from growing, holding you back from being the most you can be. I loving, run, and science is constantly being proven wrong. We're constantly coming out with new information that replaces our old information that we sent accepted his truth. And that's beautiful. That's awesome. So I keep looking for the newest latest plants that are out there. These discoveries can really be beneficial to people. If we don't just say OK, you're gonna eat apples, bananas, Kayla, Bubba. Okay, that's what the grocery store has to offer. But there are literally hundreds of millions of plans out there with beneficial attacks that nobody's enjoying, and I want to bring some of those two people to say, and that's kind of where the lifestyle became a living, you know, and I love Ah uh, Joseph Campbell said. follow your bliss, the rest will follow. And when I first became vegan ice, you know, working a little health food store and people would make fun of me. Oh, you're never gonna make a living working at a health food store, right? And now I've got my own company and doing quite well. And I needed to stay true to who I waas. You had to be Megan. It had to promote health. It had to be offer benefits that other plants other food sources just don't offer. And that's OK. Look, if you're not into supplements, I get it. I'm a whole food guy. I went the whole food spectrum. I was completely raw food for four years. 100% raw food. I even went as far as fritter and Onley eating fruits and seeds for over a year. And, boy, you talk about sensitivity your eyesight, your taste buds, your smell. Wow. Oh, my God, my skin. If anything just even laid on my skin, it would within minutes I would have a red mark on my skin. That's how sensitive I became. A friend of mine actually just picked up some vinegar drinking. Who is also a long term 15 year rough of his, drank it by accident, and it scalded his throat. Vinegar, just vinegar. It wouldn't hard no one else, but they. The cells are so alive, so vital that they respond. You know, when I hear people say, Oh, I'm getting sick and it's like No, no, no. The part before your symptoms was you sick. The part of you having symptoms is you're getting healthier, you've got it backwards. It's it's that we do things that causes illness, causes poor function at a cellular level. Now the body wants to try to fix that were an amazing self healing machine if we just freak out a way out of time. But if we can actually contribute to it even better, But he if you keep hitting it over and over again, it's just gonna stop responding. It's going to say, Well, I'm repairing that you're damaging it, Justus fast. So I'm gonna give up here. It's It's like the equivalent of putting a pillow over a fire alarm so the noise doesn't bother. You know, the fire alarms getting on because you got a problem. The house is burning down. Get out right? That's your body is trying to tell you something all the time, but we keep just telling it. What are the drugs? Anti histamines. It's suppressing something. Your body is trying to expel stuff by sneezing and coughing. It's trying to get it out of your system and what we do take a cough suppressant. We taken anti histamine were suppressing the very functions that are body is trying to do in its self healing process, isn't it? Why? Because we don't like the annoying symptoms. Please. That's your body healing itself. You should be thankful that your body is doing those simple for you. That's your body healing. And so So, you know, I think we need to get her get our minds around, uh, focusing on preventive health. Things that promote our health and not treating sickness is treating sickness. The vast majority of drugs out there suppress or imbalance the body, and neither one of those things will help a healthy body. They won't. So why do we keep believing this medical system that does just the opposite of what the body is trying to dio?

spk_0:   37:02
No. Yes. Oh, man. So now, right now, it's Cove in 19. It seems to me that people are starting Teoh. Uh, look at this a little more so if there's something positive to come out of this, it does say my people, you know this, How do we boost our immune systems? That's getting out there. And people are starting a look at How can I be health my healthiest self on a regular basis so that I don't succumb to sicknesses and illnesses like like Cove in. Can you talk to those people who are just now? Like Okay, what? I got to get started. There's so much information out there. I mean, like you said, it's conflicting. It's overwhelming. Where did they start? How did they know what what to do?

spk_1:   37:49
Well, one a good place to start is look at your source of information. Okay. If you understand the person or the place where it's coming from and what their motivation is, then you can understand maybe what biased? We all have a bias. I have a personal vice. I want everybody to go freakin That is my bias and I will flat out admit it. I'm not hiding it. It is not subtle. I want people to pipe. It's because it will help them, not because it's helping me. Yes, I sell products, but I don't make the products to make money. God, if I wanted to do that, I make a totally different products. I make them to help people. And my joint comes from people contacting me and saying, Wow, this is amazing. I feel so much better. Help is improved. These things are important. So I I look for the absolute best that nature has to offer. I like that Len team. This this plant is just the most incredible thing. We could do a whole episode on it higher in and nutrients than any other plant. Hire that Kale's been. It's fairly in the hall of them. Even Marina. Higher in protein on essential amino acids and brand chains. Great source of fibre. 30% of your fiber in just a single scoop even has bio active B 12 riel B 12 Human bio Active B 12 in the plant. This is not on the plant. This is not. The bacteria actually pulls up into the plant and lives inside of the plant, and you could actually get B 12 source from this. I mean, it's just a phenomenal plant. Plus, it's amazing for its growing on water, 98% of water is recycled. So the most ecological plant to as well they're they're amazing food sources like this out there that people are just not being exposed to. I was the first to bring this plant to market. Not because look, if I wanted to sell product, I would have done the standard P and rice protein like everybody else is doing. And I could have made lots of money. Instead, I made this weird green protein. Why? Because it was the best nutrient because it was whole food instead of isolated because it was nutrient rich and fibre rich in omega three rich, which is all the nutrients, are fighting needs for ultimo health not just want to be a bodybuilder and put on him his most powerful. Is it possible? You know, So look at the motivation behind what the person is. Is it Ah, practitioner, like one of the vegan doctors who is really interested in healing you and really interested in doing that? Is it a a source that has their own personal experience? like I do who comes from the heart space that really wants to help. We like yourself like I know you to be through our conversations generally genuinely a passion to want to help others if you can see that or feel that from people a true wanting to have service to others service the others doesn't mean you don't get anything in return. No good service. Others is always rewarded. That's the golden rule. But it should be a fair exchange. You should be getting as much as you're giving. And for me, I feel guilty because I feel like you know, I would do this anyway. And when I look at start drinking, nobody has any income or pay and like, I'll have the perfect. I could just do what I want all day long and not even have to worry about paying bills. And I'd be doing the same thing because I love what I'm doing and I love helping other people. But if you can find people like that, that's a great place to start, obviously, if there's people who are financially motivated like many in the medical community, unfortunately, and some of that is in training program. Don't blame the people who are following the rules. That's the system that grew up. They don't know differently. Obviously, if we can help teach them and reach some other weights, that's a beautiful thing. But yeah.

spk_0:   41:55
Yeah, well, we're gonna definitely put put your information in the show notes, because you are obviously somebody that we can trust and that people can go to knowing that this is coming from, ah, pure positive space. And they're not many people that we can be so sure about. So thank you for doing that. I do have one question personally, if you don't mind, and then because I think we need to have you back for, like, a whole supplement thing because it was like, we just we just, like, open the door to a whole new topping your I don't even want to try to sing. So for a long time, I was really into just, you know, no supplements as best I can really do in the whole food, things like you were saying. Now, with all this amazing new discoveries of plants, you know that my world is opening back up to supplements Also, the soil that we grow our plants. And from what I understand is that our soil is so depleted even now eating organic, whole foods, plant based diet. We're not getting the same amount of nutrients that that we used to get from these same foods. And that has made that has been another reason I am. I'm opening myself back up to two supplementation. Can can you talk to that at all?

spk_1:   43:16
Oh, for sure. And I was just, uh, my daily walk in the park today. Teoh both get my vitamin T. That three from the sun was just talking about that permaculture and by biodynamic farming and v. Ganic farming. So Permaculture is looking at the relationships of the plant to the soil, to the fungus and bacteria and the soil and all the symbiosis, all the relationships that they have. You know, I think they misinterpreted our evolution when they said survival of the fittest, that is, come competition. And that's not at all. If you look at the natural world, it's all cooperation. It's all collaboration. It's all working together in synergies and systems. That's everything. Imagine if every cell in your body says no. I'm gonna be the one that wins. They would destroy every cell in your body. That's not how it was. Thank God ourselves. Don't act like that. Why are we as human beings, whole human beings doing the competitive thing doing? I'm better than you or I can beat? You are a convicted. What is that? Especially amongst males. Got it? So it's It's not the way nature nothing in nature happens that way. It is all a song and dance. It is a orchestra, these things working together in harmony. Okay, so this amazing fungi in the soil, they can have webs. There is one mushroom, a fungus that they discovered in the Northeast that is over 60 miles around one living creature that that is the neural net. And if you look at fungus, it can have a neural net, like is more complex than the human brain. Now here's something like a plant will actually drop the seed and the street now the the seat can't crew there because the shade will prevent that scene from having enough like. But the plant can send a signal through its roots, sending amino acids and sugars in exchange to the TV fungus. Hey, will you go help with that? And yes, the root system. The fun guy will then take that nutrition and go over to the Baby Seed and Vita to ensure its survival. This is the communication that is going on that is unseen. Human beings were the reckless. Oh, this is the plan. I wants to get the ground, not understanding all this complex networking that is going on b 12 that we get a factory from actually have a symbiotic relationship with the plants. They actually break down the nutrients in the soil and make the board by available to plants to the plant grows even bigger and stronger. And he returned. The plant takes amino acids and sugars and sent him down to the bacteria and allows some tea so much So was the synergistic relationship lending or the wool FIA, the letna, which is a floating water plants. Well, if it's floating in its roots or Haniel, how does it? Well, it said, Alright, bacteria, you're so important to my survival. I'm gonna pull you up inside the root system and create a little housing for you. A little bacteria condo where you could drive and do your things. Then Opel and the nutrients. You break them down for me and feed me as a plant, and I'll send nice little nutrients that you need sugars and starches, some things for you to consume. And that's a symbiotic relationship. We've destroyed all the fungus in the soil. We destroyed all the bacteria. Now that plant has to try to survive without its co partners. And, well, you know, the weird thing is, is, and with the synthetic fertilizers and the plants like Okay, well, that's 1/10 of 1% of what I need. What about all the rest of the stuff? And that's why our food is so nutrient poor is because it's we we've left out. We've knocked out with killed that relationship between the micro organisms and macro organisms. In the case of some fund high and the relationship to the plants, these plants have grown these relationships for millions of years in cooperation with other species. And when we can learn what the plants are really doing and cooperate with the plants once again and show that and that's what violent, biodynamic farming is about, they're taking these fungi and bacteria and creating soups out of them and then pouring them on the ground to read. See the the soil with the new with the microorganisms that the plant means. And these plants are thriving fruit, giant fruits and stuff like this. And I'm like, Why don't our farmers get back to this? They can produce so much more food that is a lot more for sale. It's more profitable for them, thinking they could produce food that is more nutrient deads, and that can show that they can tell that as better than the fruit seeds that have grown with almost no she. It's a win win for everybody went for the plant, went for us nutritionally. It's even a win for the farmers in abundant crops. I'm like, Why are we not doing? We need to get back toe understanding the relationships we got into this group think as a human species, I could do it on my own. This individual is, um and we even called it rugged individualism. No, this this whole living network is about relationships stronger than relationships. The stronger every single entity. You we are not alone, and that's why I love having conversations with people like you because you're about those relationships. Gotta love that. And it's exciting toe. Learn from nature and actually apply it to our own minds. This is not just information. This is stuffed to live by

spk_0:   49:32
1000%. And it reminds me of one of my favorite quotes by Maya Angelou when she said, Do the best you can until you know better than when you know better do better. And Jeff, thank you for helping people both know better and then know how to do better as well. You know, I see that is as what you're doing, and it's it's phenomenal and so needed so thank

spk_1:   49:59
you and my client's thank you for the platform in able to, I'm sure bring lots of amazing guests on here and share their stories. And together in that sharing weaken, we could really make a big difference in people's lives.

spk_0:   50:14
It's certainly my pleasure. All right, Well, before we go, we have a speed round. What we're calling a sprint round. Are you up for it? All right. So I'll give you five questions and just kind of the top of your head. What comes up? OK, what's the food you love so much that you could eat it every single day for the rest of your life.

spk_1:   50:36
Easy one mangoes.

spk_0:   50:40
What's a quirk you have that most people probably don't know. You know, this is a tough

spk_1:   50:49
quirk. Um, so that's a tough one. I know. Uh, okay, so, uh, used to just being me and comfortable with who I am, I don't even

spk_0:   51:06
Maybe not. Everybody knows everything. You are just authentically you to the real degree, So,

spk_1:   51:13
yeah, I mean, that's fair. Uh, I'm sure I have quirks, but I don't notice it, because that's just not what I'm focused on.

spk_0:   51:21
I love that. I love that. Okay. Ah. Specific exercise that you have a love hate relationship with, if you know what I

spk_1:   51:29
mean. Yeah, that's cardio. Yeah, for sure. And I'm sure that's a lot of people's. I put it this way. I, uh Hey, the work. I love the results.

spk_0:   51:46
Yep. I got that one. Okay, uh, names. Something that evokes pure joy in your heart.

spk_1:   51:57
Just being in nature and feeling that vibe sitting in a forest or near what running water or by the beach catches feeling that energy that fills me with joy,

spk_0:   52:12
love it and an animal species that you feels particularly spiritually connected to. It

spk_1:   52:20
was a bunny rabbit. I know that's not the most masculine thing. Never say, but they are kind. They are playful and they are very curious. And I think that really aligns with me on on somebody molds

spk_0:   52:39
love it, Love it. Awesome. Okay, Jeff, tell us where we can find you and I will put it in the show notes as well.

spk_1:   52:46
I am on Facebook as Jeff Palmer. I am G E O F F Palmer and then a clean machine fit on both instagram and Facebook and then clean machine online for the website if you're interested in the parks but all the information up on the website so that you can read about the ingredients, we disclose all the ingredients. We disclose all the research that backs up in and claims that we make s O that you could read it yourself and verify it for yourself. And please, if you have any questions, info act Ah, clean machine online dot com. Happy to answer him. I do that personally to every single question that comes in to us.

spk_0:   53:27
Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. And you guys definitely get on the Facebook feed with him because he is just this wealth of amazing knowledge and sharing, you know, the latest research that we can we can really look at and have some trust. And so, Jeff, again, thank you so civil very much for being here. We're going to wrap it up now. So you guys make sure to hit that subscribe button so you don't miss an episode and head on over to our Web site where we will always have a gift waiting for you. A place to leave us a message with your questions. And you can lead questions for Jeff as well, and we'll get him back on and apply to be coached on an upcoming show. And of course, if you're loving what you're hearing here, we would be extremely grateful if you'd leave us an authentic review and use the share feature to invite all the people you care about in this world toe. Listen, Teoh, until next time